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    Re: Diesel recall, what comes next

    The calls are going out for the software update. My dealership called and said bring my Golf in anytime. Replied I would get around to it eventually.
    1981 VW Rabbit LS diesel AND a 2012 VW Golf TDI tornado red 6 speed.

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    Richard Rothschild Loyola University Maryland
    I believe the 5th and 14th Amendments will prevent the government from forcing owners to retrofit their cars. "Nor may property be taken without due process and just compensation." The government cannot refuse to allow owners to register their cars. Why? Because blocking registration would amount to a "taking"... i.e. Taking property away.... And the courts have consistently upheld the principle that the state cannot substantively take away all use of private property. I predict the first lawsuit against a state that tries to deprive owners of their registration (and therefore all effective use) will lead to a quick determination that the state had engaged in a prohibition of use that is so substantial that it easily passes the threshold of a "taking" and is therefore unconstitutional. Want to know is who is really negligent here? Answer... The EPA. They should have engaged in road tests of all vehicles. If their simulated testing failed to properly simulate reality, blame them. It's going to be fun to watch the EPA and state environmental organizations lose their butts in court. Gotta love it. Carrroll County Commissioner Richard Rothschild.

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    You do realize the "gubment" can order you to "fix" your vehicle and leave it up to VW to "compensate you for your loss? We all keep saying the big black feds are going to bust us. But it's VW that screwed everyone.

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    The EPA has been so underfunded by the Republican controlled Congress that it is amazing they get anything done.

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    Did everyone see the NYTimes article this morning? It was all "errors."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/bu...s-scandal.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinBrew View Post
    The EPA has been so underfunded by the Republican controlled Congress that it is amazing they get anything done.
    Hear, hear!

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    i just heard that the 2015 and 14 model will be a software upgrade with about a 2to 4 MPG affect and no loss of power. older models will have to replace some parks and there is no info other than that i got this from my VW dealers service dept. I'm a 2009 owner

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    I bought my 2012 Jetta TDI highline new $30,000. I really love my car. But I am really disappointed. I always wanted a Diesel but never got one till they came up with the Clean Diesel. Now we know it is a dirty Diesel. But here is some of my opinions.

    How the scandal started? Well lets look at it from a business point of view. in 2007-2009 no diesels were made. VW worked on making a clean diesel. Most likely is that they had no solution for the emissions in North America. Pressure came from the top. Meetings and pressure at VW with upper managers to engineers with the message to engineers... Probably something like" you guys had 2 years and enough is enough. I don't care how you guys do it, but we will be selling Diesels in 2009. Get it done at any cost". So engineers at VW did the only thing they could to keep their jobs and make upper management happy. they cheated. Everyone was happy. I am sure upper management did not know or more precisely, did not want to know how it was done. They could now sell cars in North America

    The VW $1000 gift. First I got my $1000 Canadian dollars {$700 USD} so we Canadians got ripped off already. I spent it like most, at the dealer. Tires and brakes. Thanks VW for that. Well done on customer service.

    However, I can see us TDI owners getting ripped off for sure. Here is my take. TDI owners will have 2 options. Sell their car back to VW or have it repaired. Both options suck. Most TDI owners love their cars and fuel mileage and want to keep it. So get it fixed? What is that going to do to your car. Performance will certainly be affected negatively as well as gas mileage. Oh and expect huge problems with the engine in a few months. It was not engineered to perform with exhaust controls in place. I would expect it to gunk up, and repairs will be ongoing and expensive. I would think all TDI owners who get the fix will want to pull their hair out soon after. But who knows, I may be wrong.

    Do nothing? not an option as you will no longer be able to register the car. Oh and the buy back option. Another rip off coming. They will buy back your car at black book value not the resale value. Count on it folks. FYI every dealer from Honda to GM will buy your car at blackbook value. But hey we all get $5000. Sure and now we can buy a gas car, spend $3000 more in fuel every year. Oh and the replacement car we get. Probably used and who knows how it was maintained. Buy new and have big monthly payments.

    Perhaps I am wrong. But I am putting VW on notice. If you want my business again, this solution better be beneficial to me. If I feel ripped off or not satisfied, I will never again buy a VW. I will also encourage everyone in my family or everyone I know, not to buy a VW. So VW, get it right. I really like my car and I don't want to see VW go down the toilet. You have a chance to make it right, so make it right

    The Cost to VW? VW will not be affected as much as people think. They will take the cars back, and re-sell them in countries that are OK with the emissions. Perhaps Africa, south America, China, Russia, So the buy back is nothing. So who gets screwed? WE DO FOLKS. VW is a company and companies are in the business of making money not giving it away. Sure they made a big mistake, but now the goal is to look like good guys trying to make amends, but still making money. Sure they will have penalties and fines, but governments will bow to a big company to get kickbacks, or investments from the company to create new jobs. Not a bad thing but investments will eventually pay dividends back to the company. So VW may not be hit as hard as some think.

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    Just bought a 2011 Jetta TDI highline. I love the car. The emission scandal is a political load of baloney. They don't test gasoline cars on the road, just like they only tested Diesel vehicles in the lab. I don't blame VW, I blame the regulator for doing a really bad job of emissions testing and not bothering with real world on the road tests. Now VW, and VW alone as the poster child for "dirty" Diesels will pay a steep price. I would suggest the media jump on that fact. We are all snowed by the EPA and their poor quality testing. I say test each and every new car and truck, etc. on the road. Come up here to Canada in -35 degree winter weather (Manitoba) and test it then. I doubt ANY vehicle will pass any emissions test at all. Do I want my TDI bought back or modified? NOT!

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    Has anyone done a "delete" on their older TDi? Here is the issue: eventually (130k miles) our beloved clean diesel, Autobahn Tuned VWs have the soot filter stop up. Unfortunately, VW dealer will want $5,800 to replace it...1/4th to 1/5th the new car cost for ONE single non-moving part. A part that bigger diesel trucks remove, replace every 500,000 miles or so for $500. The filters are sent to Atlanta to be "replenished". Now these rigs have to use that agblu stuff. Anyway--the delete fixes the issue, but you need a chip and a computer code fix. That is what my research shows and it claims better mileage and more power/torque. Rural Texas is a great place to drive...

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    I only have 40000 miles on my golf tdi and the diesel particulate filter light came on. The engine was cold so all I did was drive it for a little while and it turned off. From what I understand, the filter is supposed to clean itself by burning the soot and recycling it back into the engine

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    The inherent soot cleaning will work for 120,000 or so miles. Until then---You drive for 20 min with RPM over 4600 dash light goes off. But eventually the ugly truth is clogged filter of soot.

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    Look at this way you be able to unload it when they do the buy back! They are still having problems with high pressure fuel pump failure and blaming it on contaminated fuel!

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    Re: Diesel recall, what comes next

    I just got an email "Diesel Resolution Update" to schedule ME to discuss options. It seems there might be more than one 'out' or 'option' for owners, but they couldn't confirm until after the end of the month. Strange, but...whatever. I can wait.

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    Re: Diesel recall, what comes next

    My question has always been "Will the Restitution Payments be Taxable?" I finally found out something.

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    ==> Will the owner restitution payment be taxable?
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    ==> This is from the long form (vwcourtsettlement.com, under court documents): "while it is the intention of the parties that any payments made as a result of the Class Action Settlement not be subject to taxation, you should consult a tax professional to assess the specific tax implications of any payment you may receive."
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    ==> In other words the IRS is going to take 40% of my payment. Because this is up to the IRS and not the parties of the class action settlement?
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    ==> Not really sorry, any idea if this issue will be clarified in the final court date in October?
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    ==> Within the court documents, it says that the restitution amount from the settlement shouldn't be taxed. However, if you use your vehicle for work or if it's part of a business, there may be some different rules. They recommend checking with your account or tax professional to clarify if you fall under a different set of circumstances.
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    ==> Now that helps, thank you.
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    Re: Diesel recall, what comes next

    The cars won't be neutered, 10:1 they're going to use a bigger NOx cat and little
    programming. No fix has been approved. Can't add the Urea injection to the ones
    they do not have it either.

    I am taking the FIX, for the $5100, then buying a FlashZilla tuner and stage 1 tune, period...

    If they can't be fixed, they HAVE to buy them back. For me, for the miles, I would OWE
    $2000.00 for a buy back, so I would have to qualify for loan forgiveness, and they will
    HAVE TO if they can't be fixed. Then, I buy a TSi.

    PA has no Diesel emissions, I may be able to keep it anyway, but, NOx is the issue, and
    a big one. The FED will make them buy them all back if there is no fix.

    Also, you can say good-buy to the TDI market in the USA, they have said the push
    for the TDI in the USA is over, these are the last of the Golf, Jetta, and Passat.
    Any TDIs built in the USA will be for Export. The 3.0 V6s were found to be cheating
    also, but after 22 minutes of run time.

    This will either make all the current TDI values go UP, or make them worthless..

    Dealers still have cars sitting in quarantine, if a fix is approved, I think they will sell at
    premium prices. There are no GAS cars that are getting 45+ MPG, so, the desirability of
    the TDI should go up, should there be a fix, and their market pull out.

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    Re: Diesel recall, what comes next

    VW yesterday bought back my 2013 JSW DSG TDi. Base trim level. Bought it in Dec 2012 in Pennsylvania. Paid $27947 cash. VW cut me a check for $27347. I am the designated class action plaintif for Delaware.
    The third party settlement specialists (2) at the meeting were ill equipped to answer questions about the power of attorney form for retitling the car to VW. There is a sentence on the form saying VW is going to attempt to recover sales tax. I asked to whom is the money dispursed if VW recovers sales tax? The specialists did not know. My other question concerns my low mileage.
    According to documents on VWCOURTSETTLEMENT.com, VW will provide additional remuneration for a low mileage vehicle (48 months of driving and mileage was 25170). After the owner accepts VW's proposed buyback offer and returns the notarized documents, VW sends the owner the official buyback offer. The owner may drive the car 1042 miles per month right up to the settlement meeting without penalty for excess mileage. In addition, less than the 1042 miles can mean additional remuneration above that on the buyback offer. So said the court document and so said the VWGoA email mentioned further on.
    The specialists had no knowledge about these issues, yet VWGoA in an email on Dec 8th said these issues would be resolved at settlement. During my meeting the specialists called VW headquarters 844-98-CLAIM, twice to get these concerns answered. No one at VW had an answer. Customer service advised me to call "the settlement lawyer" at 800-948-2181 regarding any adjustments for low mileage.
    The specialists requested to have my claim escalated and to speak with a supervisor. Customer service stated that no supervisors were on site; that in order to speak with a supervisor, VW customer service would need my telephone number and a supervisor would call me back in two or three days.

    Does anyone on the forum have experience to relate regarding the dieselgate buyback, especially with regard to extra monies paid by VW for mileage well below the standard 1042 miles per month? How many cents per mile is VW offering? Has anyone received any useful information from calling the VW settlement 844 number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Knight View Post
    VW yesterday bought back my 2013 JSW DSG TDi. Base trim level. Bought it in Dec 2012 in Pennsylvania. Paid $27947 cash. VW cut me a check for $27347. I am the designated class action plaintif for Delaware.
    The third party settlement specialists (2) at the meeting were ill equipped to answer questions about the power of attorney form for retitling the car to VW. There is a sentence on the form saying VW is going to attempt to recover sales tax. I asked to whom is the money dispursed if VW recovers sales tax? The specialists did not know. My other question concerns my low mileage.
    According to documents on VWCOURTSETTLEMENT.com, VW will provide additional remuneration for a low mileage vehicle (48 months of driving and mileage was 25170). After the owner accepts VW's proposed buyback offer and returns the notarized documents, VW sends the owner the official buyback offer. The owner may drive the car 1042 miles per month right up to the settlement meeting without penalty for excess mileage. In addition, less than the 1042 miles can mean additional remuneration above that on the buyback offer. So said the court document and so said the VWGoA email mentioned further on.
    The specialists had no knowledge about these issues, yet VWGoA in an email on Dec 8th said these issues would be resolved at settlement. During my meeting the specialists called VW headquarters 844-98-CLAIM, twice to get these concerns answered. No one at VW had an answer. Customer service advised me to call "the settlement lawyer" at 800-948-2181 regarding any adjustments for low mileage.
    The specialists requested to have my claim escalated and to speak with a supervisor. Customer service stated that no supervisors were on site; that in order to speak with a supervisor, VW customer service would need my telephone number and a supervisor would call me back in two or three days.

    Does anyone on the forum have experience to relate regarding the dieselgate buyback, especially with regard to extra monies paid by VW for mileage well below the standard 1042 miles per month? How many cents per mile is VW offering? Has anyone received any useful information from calling the VW settlement 844 number?
    Jedi - According to the court docs, your buyback would have included the mileage adjustment in the buyback amount. The base payment was $24,257 for a '13 base JSW DSG, the rest would have been the mileage adjustment for low mileage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnoopyTDI View Post
    Jedi - According to the court docs, your buyback would have included the mileage adjustment in the buyback amount. The base payment was $24,257 for a '13 base JSW DSG, the rest would have been the mileage adjustment for low mileage.
    SnoopyTDI, thank you for that information. On my buyback offer sheet at the dealer last night, the breakdown on the payment was $20300 for returning the car and $7046.73 for restitution. The court document specifies that Restitution is 20% of the car value plus $2986.73, totaling not less than $5100 nor more than $10000.


    Can you post a citation for the $24257 base value you mentioned? Does the base value change depending upon geographic location. Mine was purchased in S.E. Pennsylvania and registered in Delaware.

    Upon first signing up for the buyback several months ago, current mileage was included in the submitted data on the car. The court settlement web site documents do state that condition and mileage are considered when establishing the NADA value of the car. I was putting about 6500 miles per year on the car, an amount that is considered low by many Tdi owners. After accepting my documentation, VW sent an email with a link to download my official offer (car value and restitution). That was $27047. There was nothing to compare my offer against to see if it was in line with other offers. BTW, my JSW was immaculate.

    Two days before the meeting VWGoA sent another email advising about the meeting date, time, and what to bring. The letter stated that if actual mileage was more than allowed, then the buyback remuneration would be adjusted downward and if well under the allowed mileage then VW's check may be adjusted upward. It was stated that the allowed mileage was 1042 miles per month from the date that VW accepted the buyback offer documentation that I submitted.


    Therefore it would seem that determining the value of the car at the buyback meeting would be at least a two stage process: 1) the amount assigned when the owner initiates the online buyback process by submitting personal and car demographic data; 2) an amount subtracted from or added to the amount in (1) based on actual mileage compared to the allowed mileage of 1042 miles per month AFTER VW accepted your notarized buyback offer.

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    SnoopyTDI, I found the citation for the $24257 value you mentioned. It is in the Court Document Attachment 1A. The explanation of the document is confusing in that the Court website did not make the determination of the base value and restitution value a transparent process. The title on each page states: "Attachment 1A: Buyback and Approved Emissions Modification Restitution." The values that are indicated in "Buyback" column 1 already include the restitution. Column 2 is the restitution amount paid to owners electing modification of the emissions system. The government's attempt to simplify the process made it more confusing to interpret.

    Again referring to the VWCourtSettlement.com website, the approved FTC Consent order states on page 35 that "...for an Eligible Owner who has elected to receive payment by check, (a) if the vehicle is subject to a positive Mileage Adjustment [this relates to increased remuneration for lower mileage], Defendant shall send an additional check within 3 banking days for the amount of the positive adjustment or (b) if the Eligible Vehicle is subject to a negative Mileage Adjustment, a check will not be provided immediately and instead Defendant will issue and send a new check within 3 banking days for the adjusted amount."

    Once again the mileage adjustment is the actual mileage at settlement compared to the allowed 1042 miles per month put on the car from the date that VW accepted the owner's notarized buyback documents. During that interval I put approx 460 miles on my JSW. It mostly sat in my driveway. I would be allowed 1500 miles. So that is about a 70% reduction in actual miles after VW accepted my documents. It seems to me those reduced miles should be worth 30 or 40 cents per mile. The court has indicated reduced mileage will positively impact the remuneration, it just did not explain how it is computed.

    My complaint about the settlement meeting was that neither the two third party settlement specialists, nor VW corporate headquarters was prepared to answer that question, nor the Title Power of Attorney question about recovering sales taxes. They made a frustrating process even more so.

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