Completely in line with what I've been thinking! So frustrating, because I really love my 2013 Jetta TDI SportWagen. VW promised us TDI owners performance, fuel economy and low emissions. (So, 2/3...) As a way to recover from the massive PR hit, VW should NOT go cheap on the fix (e.g. software reprogram that ends up addressing the emissions issue but also decreases performance and fuel economy). BMW offers diesel sedans (that use the urea after-treatment system) that get in the low 40s mpg, so the combination of performance, fuel economy and low emissions is possible. I hope the VW management decides to do the right thing, or else many thus-far loyal customers will never purchase one of their products again.
Just saw an article from Bosch rather interesting read for 2.0L engine owners. http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...issions-crisis
Hydrogen fuel cell and I'm not troubled.
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I'll keep sipping my Margarita a little while longer before jumpin' the lawyer or lawsuit route.
Be very careful with those class action suits. You know how it works, attorneys get millions and you get a coupon for a car wash. Once you become part of the class and settle your done. I'll wait to see what VW proposes, if anything, and deal with them as an individual plaintiff.
Class action suit settled with Toyota a few years ago. Lawyers millions, owners got 5$. Retained rights, didn't cash the check.
What if I stay away from the recall but have someone update the car with the emissions compliant software before emissions testing, then restore the original software afterwards?
I would be more interested in individual lawsuit, depending on what VW comes up with. No class action! I agree with the others. I want more then a free car wash.
- Passat TDI owner
Take back the car, replace it with a new one that has urea system?
My wife has a 2013 Tiguan with the 2.0 turbo gasoline engine. If VW must mess with my Jetta, I would settle for a new 2.0 turbo gasoline engine in place of the diesel I have. Or swap straight across for an eGolf. These are both highly unlikely scenarios.
So what happens with a chip tune, how did those guys not spot it.
To LinBrew's question--- many 2.0 liter diesels were delivered with SCR -- 2014 and 2015 Passats for certain and Jettas (and possibly others) in 2015 (I believe), but these models are still on the recall list. Hopefully they will be removed as the investigation proceeds. Can SCR be retrofitted into other models? Maybe, but the challenge is finding space for the 5 gallon urea tank without taking up half of the trunk space.
It is unclear to me whether a class action lawsuit (such as one “on behalf of all CA owners”) will do automatically on my behalf (this is my current understanding; so I can be compensated even if I do not know of such a lawsuit) or do I have to sign up? – any case, I would not accept their “fix” – this is the way they are trying to cheat us for the second round as they would not have had to cheat with the software had they known how to engineer without affecting performance or efficiency…
Without reading all the comment, I have heard that VW would tune the vehicle down to the "EPA standards". Doing so, you, as the owner, will most likely feel a change in performance. The change will not be so great; it will feel like your driving a classic rabbit diesel.
I honestly think that the scandal is all a bunch of B.S.. I understand the fact that VW initiated an override software, but they really didn't scam the everyday consumer. Do you still obtain 35+ mpg, and/or 600+ miles to a tank? Most of you will say yes, but I also know that some will disagree with my view.
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In response to JAG 0596: I don't think you'll find many folks upset with the performance of their TDI's. Love mine, and have yet to get less than 41MPG on any tankful. But have we been scammed? Per the manual, one should expect to replenish the AdBlue supply every 10000 miles or there abouts. It is still not clear if the defeat device causes the SCR system to operate only during emission testing. If that turns out to be true, the needed mod might result in the AdBlue supply being exhausted every few weeks and the refilling costs far exceeding the savings in fuel costs. Don't know about you, but to me that would be far more than scamming; rather it would be downright criminal.
I would like to see this settled between VW and the gov. Leave my TDI out of it, no retrofit, no programming -nothing
Let the gov't sue VW and build a hospital or plant a forest or cure cancer, whatever. I bought my car in good faith and I don't want it touched. If a amnesty on these cars was announced by the gov't then resale would not be affected or performance or mileage. Problem solved for owners. take it out of VW's hide not mine. Let's face it by the time this is settled many of these cars will be close to being scrapped. the 09s are already 6 years old. It would be simplest for every one. These TDI cars will pass the pre 2010 emissions easily!