I realize this deals with diesel models. But what does this do to the value of our VWs that are gasoline powered? And would all these issues cause VW to start "consolidating" dealerships? Where I live in Northern Kentucky, I bought my Golf TSi from the only VW dealer in the area. I'm assuming now that getting an appointment for warranty service will take FOREVER.
I would be mad, too, because even if you don't have to worry about the emissions testing, you still couldn't take your Passat in for any kind of service or repair without them applying the "fix" to your car. I just bought my car a couple months ago and am supposed to get free oil changes for a certain period of time, but now I'm thinking I will do it myself.
My question after purchasing a 2015 Jetta TDI (canadian) three weeks ago is, didn't the addition of the adblue (DEF) to this year's model improve the emissions such that an adjustment to the programming shouldn't cause a dramatic reduction in economy?
"Finally, some potential good news for owners of the nearly 500,000 (or 10.5 million outside the U.S.) owners of Volkswagen TDI diesel cars. Speaking to Automotive News, the West Virginia University engineer whose team’s work uncovered the Dieselgate scandal said that a fix to make the cars emissions-compliant could be relatively simple." See complete article here:
Here is the complete interview from Automotive News:
"Forget The Stock Market, Buy A Used Volkswagen Diesel Right Freaking Now" http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/forget...l-r-1732181250
I hope the writer is right.
I too bought a 2015 Diesel Golf a few months ago.... are there class action suits in Canada? Particularly Vancouver area...
I would not join any class action suit at this time. As you can see in some of the other response threads below, they are popping up likes mushrooms after a flood. As you stated in your original post, "coming months" are going to shake up more contributors (Audi, Porsche) and all will be busting their humps to avoid paying any money at all if they can fix it with software. Most of us know we can 'refix' it on our own if they drop us 3 mpg or so and we for sure can bring back the zip in other ways. We all need to keep our cars emission happy so we can sell them if we want. So just sit tight and lets see where the ride takes us!
I'll be hangin' out on my porch sippin my margarita biding my time.
Can those of who purchased within the last month or so and who are still under the "60-day bumper-to-bumper warranty" ask the dealer to either fix our car (which they cannot do) or refund our purchase?
Stop paying your car note to VW until the problem is addressed satisfactorily.
Hell! it gives me no pleasure to drive something that emit pollutants 40 times the prescribed limit. I didn't pay for that. VW should buyback these cars and ship it back to Wolfsberg. I remember the brown smogged clouds in California in the early 80s. NIMBY.
My 2013 Passat TDI has the urea injection on it. My 2012 Golf TDI did not.
seriously though. vw gave the people what they wanted (great mpg + torque). many have reaped the rewards over the years, and i doubt it will be much different in the coming years.
i have yet to meet a vw owner that has purchased the tdi option for the sake of the penguins; it's usually for the sake of their wallets.
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I bought a 2015 Passat SEL-TDI less than three months ago. I am furious to learn that this deception has 1. greatly diminished the value of my still-new car; 2. caused a recall and remedial action that will almost certainly diminish the car's fuel efficiency and performance; and 3. will deprive me of use of the car while it goes back in to an overwhelmed dealer service department. But most of all, I am greatly disappointed that I have heard absolutely nothing from VW on this matter. They're sure eager to get in touch with me to sell me add-ons! Shame, shame, shame!
That's exactly what I plan on doing with my 2013 Bug. NOTHING! Don't mess with my car! I'm not worried about trade-in or resale values because I plan on keeping it for a LONG time. The cars pass emissions tests now - will we be legislated into proving we've made the modifications? I doubt it and that can be rigged too.
Thanks for this note of ration. I have been disturbed by the meolodramatic rending of clothes and applying of ashes over this. I suspect any mileage decreases will not be any greater (and probably less) than those associated with underinflated tires, carrying heavy loads, roof racks, high speeds on the highway, aggressive acceleration, etc., etc. There are so many factors that compromise fuel economy far more than a software adjustment. As for power, ny Golf TDI has gobs of torque. I doubt a slight compromise will be very noticeable. Moreover NOx is not by far the most dangerous air pollutant. Fine particulates are far more of a concern and they are pretty well controlled by the newer TDI's. It's disappointing that VW tried this trick but there is no reason to be screaming from the rooftops as if this were a horrific calamity.