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    Will VW crush every car?
    Volkswagen can’t resell the cars it buys; nor can it export them to other countries without modifying them to be EPA compliant. Since there is no EPA-approved modification, Volkswagen had multiple deadlines through October 2017 by which it must submit final modification proposals; the cars must be “rendered inoperable” by removing the ECU. The rest of the car can be scrapped for parts, and those parts can be resold here or abroad, including the engines. Only the ECU, the diesel oxidation catalyst, and the diesel particulate filter must be destroyed on each car.

    Where will VW keep the vehicles?
    Once VW dealers take the first cars, the factory will truck the TDIs to undisclosed storage facilities across the country. There is no telling whether Volkswagen will choose to stockpile hundreds of thousands of cars as it awaits EPA approval or begin stripping them immediately. This could mean a surplus of used parts, cheap.

    What about the emissions modification?
    By the end of 2017, we should know whether VW can start fixing cars it has repurchased and offer this fix to current owners. That’s the best possible scenario. The limbo could easily spill over into 2018, and that’s only assuming the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) will okay the repairs. Emissions modifications, if approved, will be staggered in four stages. Last month, VW was scheduled to submit its final proposal for all 2015 TDI models of the Golf, Golf SportWagen, Jetta, Passat, Beetle, and Audi A3. This, however, is expected to be only an interim fix. By October 30th, 2017, VW was to submit a second proposal describing how it intends to complete the modifications on these same cars. For older, 2009–2014 TDI versions of the Golf, Jetta, Jetta SportWagen, Beetle, and Audi A3 models, VW has until January 27, 2017.


    The 2012–2014 Passat TDI fix is due by March 3, 2017. The worst-case scenario for VW is if the remaining TDI owners keep their cars or otherwise ignore the buyback offer. If VW doesn’t repurchase 85 percent of the cars by June 2019, it faces additional penalties. Since there is no emissions-related recall, states have no way to force owners into modifying their cars or banning their registrations, unless, of course, CARB creates new regulations.


    Volkswagen and US environmental regulators have reached an agreement on the diesel-powered 3.0 liter cars also involved in this scandal. Volkswagen would fix 60,000 vehicles with affected 3.0 liter engines and repurchase 19,000 older models for which repairs would be too complex.

    To make matters worse:

    Volkswagen has confirmed that some Audi cars are equipped with software that can distort carbon dioxide emissions test results. The software installed on automatic transmission Audis allows the cars to behave differently during testing, resulting in inaccurate emissions test results. The technology had been used in other diesel and petrol cars in Europe.


    Volkswagen has not identified the Audi models that are affected by the software, but The Wall Street Journal reported over the weekend that it was installed on "top sedans and sport-utility vehicles," including both diesel AND gasoline-powered cars. The automaker told the Journal that the EPA has been aware of the software since July, after the agency discovered it during testing.

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Volkswagen has reached an agreement with the U.S. government on a fix for its emissions-cheating 3.0-liter V-6 diesels, according to a report from Bloomberg. This would follow the previously announced settlement regarding the 2.0-liter four-cylinder diesel cars.

    Some versions of the 3.0-liter TDI can be fixed via a software update. The engine was sold in the VW Touareg, Audi Q5 and Q7, Audi A6, A7, and A8, and Porsche Cayenne, during the model years from 2009 to 2016. Of the roughly 80,000 total vehicles affected, it’s estimated that three-quarters could be made emissions compliant (although at what cost to fuel economy or performance is not yet known). Older models, for which a software update would be inadequate, would have to be bought back. It’s believed that VW is seeking to avoid the expense of having to buy back all of the 3.0-liter cars; the company already is on the hook for nearly $15 billion for the buyback of nearly 500,000 2.0-liter diesels.


    There is still no approved remedy that can bring the 2.0 TDI engine into emissions compliance.

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    It's over: Volkswagen says it will never sell another diesel in the U.S.

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/vo...uotes-details/

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    VW yesterday bought back my 2013 JSW DSG TDi. Base trim level. Bought it in Dec 2012 in Pennsylvania. Paid $27947 cash. VW cut me a check for $27347. I am the designated class action plaintif for Delaware.
    The third party settlement specialists (2) at the meeting were ill equipped to answer questions about the power of attorney form for retitling the car to VW. There is a sentence on the form saying VW is going to attempt to recover sales tax. I asked to whom is the money dispursed if VW recovers sales tax? The specialists did not know. My other question concerns my low mileage.
    According to documents on VWCOURTSETTLEMENT.com, VW will provide additional remuneration for a low mileage vehicle (48 months of driving and mileage was 25170). After the owner accepts VW's proposed buyback offer and returns the notarized documents, VW sends the owner the official buyback offer. The owner may drive the car 1042 miles per month right up to the settlement meeting without penalty for excess mileage. In addition, less than the 1042 miles can mean additional remuneration above that on the buyback offer. So said the court document and so said the VWGoA email mentioned further on.
    The specialists had no knowledge about these issues, yet VWGoA in an email on Dec 8th said these issues would be resolved at settlement. During my meeting the specialists called VW headquarters 844-98-CLAIM, twice to get these concerns answered. No one at VW had an answer. Customer service advised me to call "the settlement lawyer" at 800-948-2181 regarding any adjustments for low mileage.
    The specialists requested to have my claim escalated and to speak with a supervisor. Customer service stated that no supervisors were on site; that in order to speak with a supervisor, VW customer service would need my telephone number and a supervisor would call me back in two or three days.

    Does anyone on the forum have experience to relate regarding the dieselgate buyback, especially with regard to extra monies paid by VW for mileage well below the standard 1042 miles per month? How many cents per mile is VW offering? Has anyone received any useful information from calling the VW settlement 844 number?

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    VW pleads guilty in emissions scandal; 6 employees indicted

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/vw-emissi...050239705.html

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Within a week, the dealer I purchased my 2013 Jetta TDI from, has called, TWICE.
    They want this car back to put me in a new one, they've been aggressive about it.
    Nothing they have can get me 40+ MPG, not even the 1.4 TSi, which would be my only choice.

    They had informed me, that even with the miles I have on it, VW has to pay off the loan.
    So, even if it values at 5000, and I owe 10000, they pay it off regardless. I told them I
    know about all that, and that he's the second person to call me within a week...

    They have informed me there WILL BE NO FIX, unless they can add the Urea injection system
    to the vehicle, and that seems highly unlikely. I said I already know they won't be fixed,
    they can't be fixed without that system.

    I told them that this so called scandal has not effected me in the least, and in fact,
    if I could, I would buy another one. All this has done is expose who all the
    cry babies are and I am not one of them, and I am keeping my 2013 to the bitter
    end. I said I know I have till 2018 to make the decision, so I will hang on to it.
    I also said with that 232k miles on it, I am still on the original timing belt, and
    I don't know how much longer that will last. All he said was, I understand.

    I said, worst case scenario is, they can't be fixed, and VW pays another fine, a PAY TO
    POLLUTE fine. I was then told, NO, they will be ordered to buy them back, they must
    be taken off the roads if they can't be fixed.

    So, we'll see...

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    3RD GEN - Phase one is happening now:

    2015 MY Beetle with engine code CVCA - 2015 MY Beetle Convertible with engine code CVCA
    2015 MY Golf with engine code CRUA - 2015 MY Golf SportWagen with engine code CRUA
    2015 MY Jetta with engine code CVCA - 2015 MY Passat with engine code CVCA

    Volkswagen will remove the software that reduced the effectiveness of your TDI’s
    emission control system and replace it with software that directs your vehicle’s emission
    controls to function effectively in all normal driving conditions. The emissions modification
    will change the way your car’s engine and emission control systems interact. This will
    affect technical functions under some operating conditions, for example when the vehicle
    is started for the day. No significant changes to key vehicle attributes are expected,
    including fuel consumption, reliability, durability, vehicle performance, drivability, or other
    driving characteristics.

    The new software will affect your car in the following ways:
    Engine sound may differ from your vehicle’s prior operation. Although unlikely, the engine tone may vary
    slightly after the
    emissions modification is complete. This will not result in any noticeable change in the
    driving characteristics of your vehicle.

    An update to the engine cooling fan operation will allow your vehicle to cool more efficiently and may
    alter the sound that the
    vehicle fan makes once the engine has been turned off. This update is not
    related to the emissions issue, and is addressed in the spirit of continued vehicle performance
    improvement.

    Sport Mode Changes While driving in sport mode the automatic transmission will shift earlier at low
    accelerator positions for improved driving comfort, resulting in lower engine speeds at constant driving.

    Improved Vehicle Drivability Vehicles with automatic transmissions will exhibit improvement in throttle
    response, a smoother acceleration and improved driving experience.

    High Altitude Shift Patterns - For Golf Automatic Transmission vehicles, the shifting behavior
    has been adapted to run with slightly higher engine speeds at high altitudes.

    Onboard diagnostic (OBD) system changes - Your vehicle’s OBD system will be modified and
    certain emission thresholds within the OBD system will be adjusted. These thresholds set new
    malfunction detection limits that may be above what inspection and maintenance regulators
    are familiar with and may reduce the effectiveness of the OBD system in detecting malfunctions.
    We don’t expect you will have any issues with the ability of your vehicle to pass the inspection
    and maintenance test as a result of these changes. The extended warranty coverage offers
    additional protection if your vehicle is still covered under warranty at the time of inspection.
    These changes should not be noticeable to a driver and do not impact driving characteristics.

    The second part of the emissions modification will involve outfitting your car with new
    emission control parts to ensure system reliability and durability over time. If your car
    exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual
    transmissions) we will install updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a
    new Diesel Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic Reduction
    Converter - that is needed to maintain emissions performance for the full useful life
    (150,000 miles) of your vehicle. As part of the Phase 2 modification, we will also install a
    second NOx sensor and corresponding software to improve the performance of the OBD
    system. The Phase 2 updates are expected to have no further impact on overall vehicle
    reliability, durability, fuel economy, engine sound, performance, or drivability.

    You will receive a notice when Phase 2 of the emissions modification is available for your
    vehicle. You should expect to receive this notice before June 30, 2019. If your vehicle
    has accumulated fewer than 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles
    (for manual transmissions) at the time of your Phase 2 update, your car will need to have
    the Diesel Oxidation Catalyst replaced a second time, before it reaches 150,000 miles.
    We will notify you when it is time to bring your car in for the second catalyst
    replacement. These updates will be made available at no cost to you starting in early
    2018. A complimentary loaner vehicle will be available for the duration of this
    modification, which is expected to take approximately 9 hours.

    The emissions modification of your Volkswagen does not affect the recommended vehicle
    maintenance schedule. However, diesel exhaust fluid (DEF, also known as AdBlue®)
    usage may increase. The amount of the increase will vary. Some drivers will experience
    no change, but others will use from 1% - 14% more DEF on average.

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    German Police raid homes as Volkswagen investigation grows

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/27/news...ds-winterkorn/

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Volkswagen says it has a fix or cash for every 3.0-liter V6 diesel customer

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/vo...el-settlement/

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Adding the SCR system was tested, and still failed:

    The retrofit was tested on a Passat TDI, which was fitted with the SCR system. It was was 5
    to 20 times over the NOx limit, less than the problem 10 to 40 times by the lean NOx filter cars,
    but still illegal.

    Here's what the parts would cost if VW can retrofit the 2009-2014 2.0 TDIs.

    • Cooler ($361)
    • Aftertreatment Fuel Tank ($534)
    • Dosing Valve ($240)
    • DPFE ($105)
    • Temperature Sensor ($171)
    • EGR ($401)
    • Catalyst ($68.00)
    Total = $2,500

    That does not include the labor of installing it all, or the cost of the ECU change or swap.
    It also doesn’t include the engineering needed to retrofit the cars and the costs to crash
    test the models after the significant modifications. That will add hundreds of millions to
    the bottom line.

    The urea tank most likely, can't be installed into the rear trunks due to the corrosive nature of the fluid.
    The secondary tanks would need to be installed under the car, next to a smaller, also-replaced, fuel tank.
    That would be an additional cost to Volkswagen (hundreds of dollars for each car) and further necessitate
    all new safety ratings

    It takes 6-7 hours to change the diesel particulate filter alone, in a Jetta. Such a substantial retrofit on those
    cars could take dozens of hours, incurring thousands in labor costs that Volkswagen would have to reimburse
    its dealers for. Labor rates, typically ~$100/hour, would likely be less for Volkswagen and the automaker would
    only reimburse dealers for the completion time detailed in the recall order.

    So, the overall cost for the retrofit is weighed against the car's value, and any liens. More than likely,
    they'll buy them all back. The costs for R&R, Development, crash testing, and the actual work will
    be more than what most cars are worth. It would be more cost effective to buy them back -vs-
    hemorrhaging money to fix them all.

    Fixes in Europe?
    The 2.0-liter engines, at least in Germany, will receive nothing more than a software update, though
    it is far from settled that the fix in the U.S. and Canada will be the same given the different emission
    standards. This solution is not meant for North American market EA189 engines.

    1.6-liter diesels? The first part of the fix obviously involves a software update, which will presumably
    delete or replace the software that allowed the cars to detect when they were in testing mode and
    turn on their full range of emission-control systems. Wiping that part of the engine software was clear
    from the beginning. The second part of the fix is a simple-looking plastic device that VW refers to as a
    "flow transformer" or straightener, which it will install in front of the engine's air mass sensor. Basically,
    it looks like a plastic screen, which most MAFs in the USA already have.

    https://youtu.be/jKN8danpIfE

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Volkswagen Agrees to Pay $1.2 Billion to 3.0-Liter Diesel Owners

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ees-to-settle/

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Bosch to pay VW diesel owners $330 million in emission scandal too

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/bosch-pay...151500784.html

    So, we get a LITTLE more money...

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Just saw an article where VW is paying 2.8 Billion in damages to the USA.

    By: Ed White The Associated Press

    DETROIT (AP) — Volkswagen has been ordered to pay a $2.8 billion criminal penalty in the
    United States for cheating on diesel emissions tests.

    Federal Judge Sean Cox in Detroit followed the deal negotiated by VW and the U.S. Justice
    Department. The sentence was ordered today, six weeks after the German automaker pleaded
    guilty to conspiracy and obstruction of justice.

    VW admits that nearly 600,000 diesel cars in the U.S. were programmed to turn on pollution
    controls during testing and off while on the road.

    VW attorney Jason Weinstein says the criminal fine is an “appropriate and serious sanction.”

    Separately, VW is paying $1.5 billion in a civil case brought by the government and spending
    $11 billion to buy back cars and offer other compensation. Seven employees have also been charged.

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    VW cleared by EPA to sell repaired 2015 diesels

    http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...d-2015-diesels

    These are the two year old NEW 2015s.

    Approval to sell buyback 2015s should come later.

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    From my understanding right now they are all being shipped eventually to Mexico - unsure whether or not they are parts cars or crushed.

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    Re: Latest on Dieselgate

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewAtVW View Post
    From my understanding right now they are all being shipped eventually to Mexico - unsure whether or not they are parts cars or crushed.
    2009-2014s, yeah, aren't going anywhere right now, they're all sitting at AmPorts, or huge lots.

    FED says they will NOT be allowed to sell them anywhere else in the WORLD unless they pass CARB
    emissions testing. I mean, they're actually preventing VW from exporting them back to Europe.

    The 2015 buybacks may be shipped somewhere for prep... Still, all they need is
    the flash, and they're good to go. The hardware won't be available till next year.

    The sale stop order on 2009+ diesels is voluntary. Any dealer can sell one, but it
    has to be outside their certified program. VW does not want to look arrogant, on top
    of all the fraud, making them look ten times worse. Like, yeah, ha ha, we cheated,
    but we're still gonna sell them to you... That's what they don't want, so they just
    stopped selling them. You can still go to any other non VW lot and buy one, If you
    can find one. Used car lot owners were buying them up for themselves to make the
    buyback money.

    Huge mess... I will be keeping my eyes open for a buyback 2015.. Still, they won't
    be cheap considering what was paid, plus the restitution.

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