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Will VW crush every car?
Volkswagen can’t resell the cars it buys; nor can it export them to other countries without modifying them to be EPA compliant. Since there is no EPA-approved modification, Volkswagen had multiple deadlines through October 2017 by which it must submit final modification proposals; the cars must be “rendered inoperable” by removing the ECU. The rest of the car can be scrapped for parts, and those parts can be resold here or abroad, including the engines. Only the ECU, the diesel oxidation catalyst, and the diesel particulate filter must be destroyed on each car.
Where will VW keep the vehicles?
Once VW dealers take the first cars, the factory will truck the TDIs to undisclosed storage facilities across the country. There is no telling whether Volkswagen will choose to stockpile hundreds of thousands of cars as it awaits EPA approval or begin stripping them immediately. This could mean a surplus of used parts, cheap.
What about the emissions modification?
By the end of 2017, we should know whether VW can start fixing cars it has repurchased and offer this fix to current owners. That’s the best possible scenario. The limbo could easily spill over into 2018, and that’s only assuming the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) will okay the repairs. Emissions modifications, if approved, will be staggered in four stages. Last month, VW was scheduled to submit its final proposal for all 2015 TDI models of the Golf, Golf SportWagen, Jetta, Passat, Beetle, and Audi A3. This, however, is expected to be only an interim fix. By October 30th, 2017, VW was to submit a second proposal describing how it intends to complete the modifications on these same cars. For older, 2009–2014 TDI versions of the Golf, Jetta, Jetta SportWagen, Beetle, and Audi A3 models, VW has until January 27, 2017.
The 2012–2014 Passat TDI fix is due by March 3, 2017. The worst-case scenario for VW is if the remaining TDI owners keep their cars or otherwise ignore the buyback offer. If VW doesn’t repurchase 85 percent of the cars by June 2019, it faces additional penalties. Since there is no emissions-related recall, states have no way to force owners into modifying their cars or banning their registrations, unless, of course, CARB creates new regulations.
Volkswagen and US environmental regulators have reached an agreement on the diesel-powered 3.0 liter cars also involved in this scandal. Volkswagen would fix 60,000 vehicles with affected 3.0 liter engines and repurchase 19,000 older models for which repairs would be too complex.
To make matters worse:
Volkswagen has confirmed that some Audi cars are equipped with software that can distort carbon dioxide emissions test results. The software installed on automatic transmission Audis allows the cars to behave differently during testing, resulting in inaccurate emissions test results. The technology had been used in other diesel and petrol cars in Europe.
Volkswagen has not identified the Audi models that are affected by the software, but The Wall Street Journal reported over the weekend that it was installed on "top sedans and sport-utility vehicles," including both diesel AND gasoline-powered cars. The automaker told the Journal that the EPA has been aware of the software since July, after the agency discovered it during testing.
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Volkswagen has reached an agreement with the U.S. government on a fix for its emissions-cheating 3.0-liter V-6 diesels, according to a report from Bloomberg. This would follow the previously announced settlement regarding the 2.0-liter four-cylinder diesel cars.
Some versions of the 3.0-liter TDI can be fixed via a software update. The engine was sold in the VW Touareg, Audi Q5 and Q7, Audi A6, A7, and A8, and Porsche Cayenne, during the model years from 2009 to 2016. Of the roughly 80,000 total vehicles affected, it’s estimated that three-quarters could be made emissions compliant (although at what cost to fuel economy or performance is not yet known). Older models, for which a software update would be inadequate, would have to be bought back. It’s believed that VW is seeking to avoid the expense of having to buy back all of the 3.0-liter cars; the company already is on the hook for nearly $15 billion for the buyback of nearly 500,000 2.0-liter diesels.
There is still no approved remedy that can bring the 2.0 TDI engine into emissions compliance.
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It's over: Volkswagen says it will never sell another diesel in the U.S.
- Rep Power
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VW yesterday bought back my 2013 JSW DSG TDi. Base trim level. Bought it in Dec 2012 in Pennsylvania. Paid $27947 cash. VW cut me a check for $27347. I am the designated class action plaintif for Delaware.
The third party settlement specialists (2) at the meeting were ill equipped to answer questions about the power of attorney form for retitling the car to VW. There is a sentence on the form saying VW is going to attempt to recover sales tax. I asked to whom is the money dispursed if VW recovers sales tax? The specialists did not know. My other question concerns my low mileage.
According to documents on VWCOURTSETTLEMENT.com, VW will provide additional remuneration for a low mileage vehicle (48 months of driving and mileage was 25170). After the owner accepts VW's proposed buyback offer and returns the notarized documents, VW sends the owner the official buyback offer. The owner may drive the car 1042 miles per month right up to the settlement meeting without penalty for excess mileage. In addition, less than the 1042 miles can mean additional remuneration above that on the buyback offer. So said the court document and so said the VWGoA email mentioned further on.
The specialists had no knowledge about these issues, yet VWGoA in an email on Dec 8th said these issues would be resolved at settlement. During my meeting the specialists called VW headquarters 844-98-CLAIM, twice to get these concerns answered. No one at VW had an answer. Customer service advised me to call "the settlement lawyer" at 800-948-2181 regarding any adjustments for low mileage.
The specialists requested to have my claim escalated and to speak with a supervisor. Customer service stated that no supervisors were on site; that in order to speak with a supervisor, VW customer service would need my telephone number and a supervisor would call me back in two or three days.
Does anyone on the forum have experience to relate regarding the dieselgate buyback, especially with regard to extra monies paid by VW for mileage well below the standard 1042 miles per month? How many cents per mile is VW offering? Has anyone received any useful information from calling the VW settlement 844 number?
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Within a week, the dealer I purchased my 2013 Jetta TDI from, has called, TWICE.
They want this car back to put me in a new one, they've been aggressive about it.
Nothing they have can get me 40+ MPG, not even the 1.4 TSi, which would be my only choice.
They had informed me, that even with the miles I have on it, VW has to pay off the loan.
So, even if it values at 5000, and I owe 10000, they pay it off regardless. I told them I
know about all that, and that he's the second person to call me within a week...
They have informed me there WILL BE NO FIX, unless they can add the Urea injection system
to the vehicle, and that seems highly unlikely. I said I already know they won't be fixed,
they can't be fixed without that system.
I told them that this so called scandal has not effected me in the least, and in fact,
if I could, I would buy another one. All this has done is expose who all the
cry babies are and I am not one of them, and I am keeping my 2013 to the bitter
end. I said I know I have till 2018 to make the decision, so I will hang on to it.
I also said with that 232k miles on it, I am still on the original timing belt, and
I don't know how much longer that will last. All he said was, I understand.
I said, worst case scenario is, they can't be fixed, and VW pays another fine, a PAY TO
POLLUTE fine. I was then told, NO, they will be ordered to buy them back, they must
be taken off the roads if they can't be fixed.
So, we'll see...
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3RD GEN - Phase one is happening now:
2015 MY Beetle with engine code CVCA - 2015 MY Beetle Convertible with engine code CVCA
2015 MY Golf with engine code CRUA - 2015 MY Golf SportWagen with engine code CRUA
2015 MY Jetta with engine code CVCA - 2015 MY Passat with engine code CVCA
Volkswagen will remove the software that reduced the effectiveness of your TDI’s
emission control system and replace it with software that directs your vehicle’s emission
controls to function effectively in all normal driving conditions. The emissions modification
will change the way your car’s engine and emission control systems interact. This will
affect technical functions under some operating conditions, for example when the vehicle
is started for the day. No significant changes to key vehicle attributes are expected,
including fuel consumption, reliability, durability, vehicle performance, drivability, or other
The new software will affect your car in the following ways:
Engine sound may differ from your vehicle’s prior operation. Although unlikely, the engine tone may vary
slightly after the emissions modification is complete. This will not result in any noticeable change in the
driving characteristics of your vehicle.
An update to the engine cooling fan operation will allow your vehicle to cool more efficiently and may
alter the sound that the vehicle fan makes once the engine has been turned off. This update is not
related to the emissions issue, and is addressed in the spirit of continued vehicle performance
Sport Mode Changes – While driving in sport mode the automatic transmission will shift earlier at low
accelerator positions for improved driving comfort, resulting in lower engine speeds at constant driving.
Improved Vehicle Drivability – Vehicles with automatic transmissions will exhibit improvement in throttle
response, a smoother acceleration and improved driving experience.
High Altitude Shift Patterns - For Golf Automatic Transmission vehicles, the shifting behavior
has been adapted to run with slightly higher engine speeds at high altitudes.
Onboard diagnostic (OBD) system changes - Your vehicle’s OBD system will be modified and
certain emission thresholds within the OBD system will be adjusted. These thresholds set new
malfunction detection limits that may be above what inspection and maintenance regulators
are familiar with and may reduce the effectiveness of the OBD system in detecting malfunctions.
We don’t expect you will have any issues with the ability of your vehicle to pass the inspection
and maintenance test as a result of these changes. The extended warranty coverage offers
additional protection if your vehicle is still covered under warranty at the time of inspection.
These changes should not be noticeable to a driver and do not impact driving characteristics.
The second part of the emissions modification will involve outfitting your car with new
emission control parts to ensure system reliability and durability over time. If your car
exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual
transmissions) we will install updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a
new Diesel Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic Reduction
Converter - that is needed to maintain emissions performance for the full useful life
(150,000 miles) of your vehicle. As part of the Phase 2 modification, we will also install a
second NOx sensor and corresponding software to improve the performance of the OBD
system. The Phase 2 updates are expected to have no further impact on overall vehicle
reliability, durability, fuel economy, engine sound, performance, or drivability.
You will receive a notice when Phase 2 of the emissions modification is available for your
vehicle. You should expect to receive this notice before June 30, 2019. If your vehicle
has accumulated fewer than 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles
(for manual transmissions) at the time of your Phase 2 update, your car will need to have
the Diesel Oxidation Catalyst replaced a second time, before it reaches 150,000 miles.
We will notify you when it is time to bring your car in for the second catalyst
replacement. These updates will be made available at no cost to you starting in early
2018. A complimentary loaner vehicle will be available for the duration of this
modification, which is expected to take approximately 9 hours.
The emissions modification of your Volkswagen does not affect the recommended vehicle
maintenance schedule. However, diesel exhaust fluid (DEF, also known as AdBlue®)
usage may increase. The amount of the increase will vary. Some drivers will experience
no change, but others will use from 1% - 14% more DEF on average.
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